tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12610610.post3206444726588967777..comments2023-12-27T03:40:39.548-05:00Comments on Mah Rabu מה רבו: Rabbi A. Stanley Dreyfus on the Jewish Catalog: unpublished notesBZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18242965196421853025noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12610610.post-69224057540198717972008-07-23T15:06:00.000-04:002008-07-23T15:06:00.000-04:00EAR's understanding is mine as well. It sound...EAR's understanding is mine as well. It sounds to me that the Jewish catalog has mixed up erusin and tenaim perhaps because both translate in English as "betrothal." <BR/><BR/>My understanding was that in practice tenaim aren't binding in that parties can walk away from the agreement with mutual consent. At least I know of a couple who made tenaim under Orthodox rabbinic supervision (a dayan in London, I believe) and walked away without as far as I know any further transaction. They were both men, though as far as I know it's just a contract so gender shouldn't matter. <BR/><BR/>See the following:<BR/><BR/>http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1428&letter=B<BR/><BR/>http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=995&letter=BAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12610610.post-7018947247706738222008-07-21T19:08:00.000-04:002008-07-21T19:08:00.000-04:00Historically I think that most tenaim included a p...Historically I think that most tenaim included a provision stipulating that if one party backed out of the engagement they would pay a k'nas/fine to the other party. This constituted a clear way to dissolve the tenaim that didn't involve "divorce or death". I'm not clear on the halacha (if it exists), but I do think it's an urban myth that breaking the tenaim requires a get. The tenaim constitutes a legal contract like any other, but does not effect kiddushin.RRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05044207755047605659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12610610.post-41157468440499126892008-07-21T17:19:00.000-04:002008-07-21T17:19:00.000-04:00I *think* tannaim can't be dissolved by a get, as ...I *think* tannaim can't be dissolved by a get, as tannayim is legal contract pertaining to the marriage, but not the marriage itself. So if one did tannaim, then marriage, then a get, the tannaim would be dissolved. But I don't know how (or if) it can be dissolved before the marriage takes places.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com