tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12610610.post1456196487434795703..comments2023-12-27T03:40:39.548-05:00Comments on Mah Rabu מה רבו: Ramban on autonomy and authorityBZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18242965196421853025noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12610610.post-37295516216114265042013-02-21T17:06:35.448-05:002013-02-21T17:06:35.448-05:00About divine vs. human authority -- What about Och...About divine vs. human authority -- What about Ochnai's oven?<br /><br />Also, practically, not everyone has a choice in religious observance. I know of many cases of chasidim who want to leave, but didn't realize that until after they'd been married off (at age 19 or 20) and had children. At that point, if they break with their community's level of observance, they will almost certainly lose custody of their children. Choosing whether or not to abandon one's children is not really a "choice."Sarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12610610.post-22990723228444683302008-02-27T07:13:00.000-05:002008-02-27T07:13:00.000-05:00Today in shiur it was pointed out that the Yerusha...Today in shiur it was pointed out that the Yerushalmi uses the idiom נפק לתעניתא (go out to a fast) to refer to observing a fast, while the Bavli prefers יתיב בתעניתא (sit in a fast).<BR/><BR/>This reflects this distinction between Bavel and Eretz Yisrael: For the Bavli, it's possible to observe a fast alone by sitting at home, whereas for the Yerushalmi, going out to the communal observance is paramount.<BR/><BR/>(The Bavli cares about community too. But in a situation like that described by the Ramban, the community derives its authority from a voluntary social contract, rather than a divine-right monarchy.)BZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18242965196421853025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12610610.post-17971056966380686232008-02-26T23:46:00.000-05:002008-02-26T23:46:00.000-05:00wrist wraggle / props / yasher koah to desh.info: ...wrist wraggle / props / yasher koah to desh.info: With the obvious caveats about socialization etc., Haredi Jews make the autonomous choice to have "emunos chochomim" and obey "da'as toyreh."Ezrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11943725838376524703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12610610.post-72066491365627346842008-02-26T20:02:00.000-05:002008-02-26T20:02:00.000-05:00Even if you're a part of a system that doesn't let...Even if you're a part of a system that doesn't let you make autonomous decisions about some things, you still make a decision autonomously to buy into the system in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12610610.post-22473997200417667942008-02-26T17:07:00.000-05:002008-02-26T17:07:00.000-05:00Once you start letting reality affect your thinkin...Once you start letting reality affect your thinking about religion, there is no end to the matter! :>)<BR/><BR/>More seriously, from an Orthodox perspective a person born Jewish and a convert each have certain obligations, and just because for all practical purposes they are free to ignore them doesn't mean that they are right to do so.<BR/><BR/>In point of fact, a significant amount of halacha and minhag is about making it less practical to ignore it, at least if you still want to be a member of the community.Larry Lennhoffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06578073969473815180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12610610.post-88950379985322828612008-02-26T14:17:00.000-05:002008-02-26T14:17:00.000-05:00Yasher koach, Ben. I really appreciate this post!T...Yasher koach, Ben. I really appreciate this post!<BR/><BR/>Time to take a look at the text myself...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com